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Jun 28, 2008 1:14:10 GMT
Post by Paul Doherty on Jun 28, 2008 1:14:10 GMT
Pete wrote:
And I accept that one who uses is a user (not a usor), but is he/she upon which the use is perpetrated a usee? (As I, by chance, used it today.) Tone Just thinking through the word pairs I am most familiar with, is there a rule about -or and -ee pairs? - donor/donee
- lessor/lessee
- licensor/licensee
- grantor/grantee
- franchisor/franchisee
The obvious exception to any such rule is payer/payee. Does the exception prove the rule or am I wrong again? :-
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Jun 28, 2008 1:20:04 GMT
Post by Paul Doherty on Jun 28, 2008 1:20:04 GMT
This is an old favourite. For some reason attendee seems to drive people into a frenzy.
Then we have escapee (a prison?), devotee (a god?), and amputee (a limb?)
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Jun 28, 2008 1:24:13 GMT
Post by Dave on Jun 28, 2008 1:24:13 GMT
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Jun 28, 2008 1:32:51 GMT
Post by Verbivore on Jun 28, 2008 1:32:51 GMT
[quote author=paul board=strict thread=138 post=4148 time=1214616004 [...] Then we have escapee [...] [/quote] For a brief while a few years back, (some) Australian news media started using escaper for escapee. Much to my relief, that brief fling with (imported?) fashion came to an end.
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Jun 28, 2008 3:39:13 GMT
Post by Paul Doherty on Jun 28, 2008 3:39:13 GMT
Ah, I now realise Pete may have meant to focus on the word other than the -ee word. He was suggesting, I think that words that form such a pair consist of -ee and -or rather than -er. Perhaps I should have left this thread where it was!
But anyway, we have:
payer/payee employer/employee
I guess escaper/escapee and attender/attendee are not valid pairs.
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Jun 28, 2008 6:13:01 GMT
Post by Pete on Jun 28, 2008 6:13:01 GMT
Ah, I now realise Pete may have meant to focus on the word other than the -ee word. He was suggesting, I think that words that form such a pair consist of -ee and -or rather than -er. Perhaps I should have left this thread where it was! But anyway, we have: payer/payee employer/employee I guess escaper/escapee and attender/attendee are not valid pairs. Paul, no worries, I think it's validly another topic but, yes, that was the point I was making. In my word pairs, the -or did something to or for the -ee person. So a grantor grants something to a grantee, and so on. Payer/payee and employer/employee also fit that pattern. But an escapee is the doer of the thing, as is the attendee, so there is no matching -or person. So it's not just that they are not parts of pairs but also because they are the wrong part of the pair, as it were. Does that make sense?
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Jun 28, 2008 14:38:14 GMT
Post by SusanB on Jun 28, 2008 14:38:14 GMT
tutor/tutee helper/helpee lover/ - isn't each party in the relationship a combination of actor and actee?
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Jun 28, 2008 15:42:07 GMT
Post by Pete on Jun 28, 2008 15:42:07 GMT
tutor/tutee helper/helpee lover/ - isn't each party in the relationship a combination of actor and actee? I have used tutee occasionally, as a made up word following the pattern. Are you making up the others, Sue?
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Jun 28, 2008 15:51:01 GMT
Post by SusanB on Jun 28, 2008 15:51:01 GMT
Pete, Tutee is certainly used in the education literature. I have also come across helpee, but infrequently. Perhaps it is not 'real' after all, I am just used to seeing it. (I should have chosen a different example.) As for the other... no. That was made up for the purpose of speculation. It seems that there ought to be a midway alternative in the er/or, ee pairings, for mutual relationships. Susan.
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Jun 28, 2008 15:54:28 GMT
Post by Pete on Jun 28, 2008 15:54:28 GMT
Now you mention education, it reminds me of mentor/mentee. But, again, I think mentee is made up.
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Jun 28, 2008 16:00:36 GMT
Post by SusanB on Jun 28, 2008 16:00:36 GMT
Aren't all words made up?
To me, mentee sounds quite normal. I wouldn't have questioned it if I had come across it somewhere (else!)
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Jun 28, 2008 16:37:54 GMT
Post by Dave on Jun 28, 2008 16:37:54 GMT
It seems that we could use, and perhaps have used, an -ed version also, maybe in a less specific manner: The mented wouldn't work, but the mentored would.
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Jun 28, 2008 17:02:17 GMT
Post by SusanB on Jun 28, 2008 17:02:17 GMT
Yes. That wouldn't work well. When the mented no longer required a mentor, they would become demented.
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Jun 28, 2008 17:18:13 GMT
Post by Pete on Jun 28, 2008 17:18:13 GMT
I know just how they feel but I suspect that we are getting a bit off message and our Administrator (superior even to Gods) might cut us off if we continue in this vein!
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Jun 28, 2008 17:57:24 GMT
Post by Paul Doherty on Jun 28, 2008 17:57:24 GMT
Exceptions may be made for amusing posts!
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