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Post by Dr Mildr on May 26, 2008 9:47:15 GMT
Scottish has the rather nice 'outwith', which would probably satisfy me if I were Scottish. Since I'm not, my use of that may sound "a trifle affected", to pick up on a previous phrase. I quite often use outwith, and I couldn't be further from being Scottish (although I am going to the Orkneys soon). Am in danger of being branded jelly-like?
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Post by Barry on May 26, 2008 10:30:06 GMT
You're forgiven, Pete - probably not something your earlier-mentioned 'orthodox Jewish education' covered much! ;D And, technically, amanda, it's a Passiontide rather than an Easter hymn
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Post by Barry on May 26, 2008 10:31:54 GMT
Count me among the jellies too, Dr M; I use it all the time (although I seem to remember being chastised for it on the APS, as quite a number of posters said that there was no difference between outwith and without).
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Post by Paul Doherty on May 26, 2008 11:10:35 GMT
Ravel? Unthaw? Are these accepted words?
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Post by Pete on May 26, 2008 11:50:50 GMT
Ravel? Unthaw? Are these accepted words? ;DRavel wrote the Bolero. What did unthaw write? ;D
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Post by Dr Mildr on May 26, 2008 11:56:00 GMT
How about dethaw? My mother often talks of dethawing something from the freezer. I'm tempted to ask whether she is going to freeze something she's already thawed, but ...
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Post by goofy on May 26, 2008 12:46:29 GMT
Ravel? Unthaw? Are these accepted words? ravelI don't know if "unthaw" is in any dictionaries but it's in use
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Post by TfS on May 26, 2008 15:56:05 GMT
I wonder what it would look like if a company had an inhouse outhouse. ;D
TfS
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Post by SusanB on May 26, 2008 17:36:12 GMT
And thawing things out seems to be a popular activity these days. This troubles me a bit too, as I haven't yet understood how the 'thaw' and the 'out' relate to each other. (I'm fine with breaking out and blacking out.)
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Post by Barry on May 26, 2008 17:55:59 GMT
He didn't write anything; but what's clear is that he didn't star in The Sweeney, and didn't star in Inspector Morse.
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Post by Paul Doherty on May 26, 2008 18:27:37 GMT
Thank you. Never heard it.
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Post by Tone on May 26, 2008 20:42:57 GMT
Ravel appears to be one of those words, like "cleave", that can both do and undo something:
SOED ravel v. [Perh. f. Du. ravelen tangle, fray out, unweave, obscurely corresp. to LG reffeln, rebbeln.] I v.t.1 Entangle; confuse, perplex. LME. 2 Unwind, unweave; draw or pull out by unwinding or unweaving; unravel. Also fig., take to pieces; disentangle. L16. 3 Foll. by out: a Make plain or clear. L16. b Destroy, spoil, or waste, as by pulling a fabric into threads. E17–E18.
And Tone, too, uses "outwith" quite often.
Tone
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Post by Paul Doherty on May 27, 2008 0:26:18 GMT
Ravel appears to be one of those words, like "cleave", that can both do and undo something: Is it? All meanings seem to be about unweaving, untangling. Indeed, was that not goofy's point: that ravel and unravel mean the same thing (like flammable and inflammable)?
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Post by Pete on May 27, 2008 0:51:21 GMT
Ravel appears to be one of those words, like "cleave", that can both do and undo something: Is it? All meanings seem to be about unweaving, untangling. Indeed, was that not goofy's point: that ravel and unravel mean the same thing (like flammable and inflammable)? Surely the first and second definitions can be read as opposites? 1 is 'entangle' and 2 is to 'disentangle.
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Post by Paul Doherty on May 27, 2008 0:53:55 GMT
Oh yes, I missed that. Sorry.
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