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Post by Nikki on Nov 2, 2010 19:43:35 GMT
I have just written the follow sentence; In pairs read through Martin Luther Kings speech, I Have a Dream,
Does 'Kings' require an apostrophy? E.G. King's because it is possessive?
Thank you for any ideas!!
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Post by Twoddle on Nov 2, 2010 19:56:01 GMT
I have just written the follow sentence; In pairs read through Martin Luther Kings speech, I Have a Dream, Does 'Kings' require an apostrophy? E.G. King's because it is possessive? Thank you for any ideas!! Yes, it needs one, Nikki, because its a speech by/of/from Martin Luther King, so it's Martin Luther King's speech. (Incidentally, it's spelt "apostrophe", and "e.g." is always in lower case.) |
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Post by Dave on Nov 3, 2010 0:58:21 GMT
I have just written the follow sentence; In pairs read through Martin Luther Kings speech, I Have a Dream, Does 'Kings' require an apostrophy? E.G. King's because it is possessive? Thank you for any ideas!! Yes, as Twoddle wrote, the possessive apostrophe is needed. But also consider these other changes to your sentence: I assume these are instructions to a class. |
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Post by Dave on Nov 3, 2010 1:05:20 GMT
and "e.g." is always in lower case.) I disagree: If e.g. begins a sentence (fragment?) (as it appears that Nikki has done), I think the E should be upper case, and the g lower case. If this looks too unusual, then write out For example instead! I'd even throw in a comma to set off the phrase from the rest. |
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Post by Twoddle on Nov 3, 2010 9:58:50 GMT
and "e.g." is always in lower case.) I disagree: If e.g. begins a sentence (fragment?) (as it appears that Nikki has done), I think the E should be upper case, and the g lower case. If this looks too unusual, then write out For example instead! I'd even throw in a comma to set off the phrase from the rest. Quite right, Dave. My comment wasn't sufficiently explanatory. |
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Post by Geoff on Nov 3, 2010 21:15:54 GMT
I disagree: If e.g. begins a sentence (fragment?) (as it appears that Nikki has done), I think the E should be upper case, and the g lower case. If this looks too unusual, then write out For example instead! I'd even throw in a comma to set off the phrase from the rest. I find it hard to imagine when e.g. would come at the start of a sentence (fragment) and require capitalisation. Surely the e.g. is introducing an expansion on something that precedes it and would be an integral part of that sentence. The most likely punctuation before the e.g. would be a comma or a semicolon. Wouldn't Nikki's sentence be better written as: Does 'Kings' require an apostrophe, e.g. King's, because it is possessive? The first question mark is just not necessary. |
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Post by Tone on Nov 3, 2010 21:47:21 GMT
>Surely the e.g. is introducing an expansion on something that precedes it and would be an integral part of that sentence. The most likely punctuation before the e.g. would be a comma or a semicolon.<
Agree there, Geoff.
And, whilst we are "on" the use of "e.g", have others noticed the annoyingly increasing habit of people misusing "i.e" where "e.g." is obviously required?
Tone
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Post by Verbivore on Nov 3, 2010 23:42:42 GMT
[...] have others noticed the annoyingly increasing habit of people misusing "i.e" where "e.g." is obviously required? Tone Been noticing it for decades, Tone -- even in supposedly scholarly works. Another, similar, phenomenon is the use of et al. for etc. (and vice versa). |
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Post by Dave on Nov 4, 2010 4:42:16 GMT
And, whilst we are "on" the use of "e.g", have others noticed the annoyingly increasing habit of people misusing "i.e" where "e.g." is obviously required? Tone I don't like it when a speaker says AYE-EE for that is; some abbreviations should be reserved just for written material. (I think we've been down this road once or twice before!) |
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Post by Vadim on Nov 4, 2010 9:04:05 GMT
[...] have others noticed the annoyingly increasing habit of people misusing "i.e" where "e.g." is obviously required? Tone Been noticing it for decades, Tone -- even in supposedly scholarly works. Another, similar, phenomenon is the use of et al. for etc. (and vice versa). I've only ever used et al. to mean "and others" when quoting authors of academic work in my thesis. I must admit, however, that I often struggle with e.g. and i.e. The only real note I have in my head is to use e.g. for "for example" and i.e. as in "this is the only one". |
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Post by Twoddle on Nov 4, 2010 9:35:50 GMT
E.g. (here's an example of a sentence beginning with e.g.!) and i.e. are abbreviations of Latin words, but an easy way to remember which is which is to tell yourself that e.g. means "example given", and i.e. is short for "it's exact".
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Post by Vadim on Nov 4, 2010 11:19:11 GMT
E.g. (here's an example of a sentence beginning with e.g.!) and i.e. are abbreviations of Latin words, but an easy way to remember which is which is to tell yourself that e.g. means "example given", and i.e. is short for "it's exact". Thanks for the explnation, Twod. In response to your comment, I Googled the Latin phrases and came up with the following reference - I think many readers of this forum may find it a useful reference. |
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Post by Pete on Nov 8, 2010 21:01:08 GMT
I have just written the follow sentence; In pairs read through Martin Luther Kings speech, I Have a Dream, Does 'Kings' require an apostrophy? E.G. King's because it is possessive? Thank you for any ideas!! Yes, as Twoddle wrote, the possessive apostrophe is needed. But also consider these other changes to your sentence: I assume these are instructions to a class. Dave, there is another view that says that Dr and Jr, like Mr, don't need a full stop, as they end with the same letter as the word they are abbreviations of. |
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Post by Dave on Nov 9, 2010 4:24:06 GMT
Dave, there is another view that says that Dr and Jr, like Mr, don't need a full stop, as they end with the same letter as the word they are abbreviations of. True, but King was an American, and, as you know, the US still uses the periods in those abbreviations, so perhaps his country's style should be used. Anyway, we don't know where Nikki and the class reside to be able to use their "local" style! |
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Post by Pete on Nov 9, 2010 20:24:35 GMT
Fair 'nuff.  |
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