osric
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Emo
May 31, 2008 15:59:51 GMT
Post by osric on May 31, 2008 15:59:51 GMT
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Emo
May 31, 2008 17:00:22 GMT
Post by Barry on May 31, 2008 17:00:22 GMT
Ah, yes: were not a cult. There was an article about this on 'Today' this morning; while I'm generally very much in support of young people and their views, whoever they fielded to defend the band was, alas, just as inarticulate as a speaker as the fans who wrote the placards are as writers. Now, why don't they take a leaf out of Coleridge's book? Nothing like a bit of depression and drug-dependency for producing excellent flowing literature
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Emo
May 31, 2008 17:47:14 GMT
Post by Paul Doherty on May 31, 2008 17:47:14 GMT
Dunno about emo (well, I do) but if I got my view of the world from the Daily Mail, I'd probably be suicidal, too. Nick Davies, in his excellent Flat Earth News, devotes a whole chapter to the Mail. He says The Mail is a perfect commodity, designed to be sold to a particular market, of lower-middle-class men and women. Its addiction is to them; and if, in order to speak for their interests, the Mail must attack, it will. Black people, poor people, liberals and all kinds of lefties, scoungers, druggies, homosexuals: they will all be attacked. ... It sells its readers what they want to see in the world ... That behaviour would not in itself be a cause for complaint about its journalism [but] ... The difficulty for the Mail is that in its relentless pursuit of that commercial agenda, it has developed a striking willingness to cut the corners of journalistic integrity, to inject the facts with the falsehood and distortion which will please its readers. And if that involves publishing a a few clarifications or even paying occasional damages, so be it. Look, for example, at their coverage of race and immigration.
I spoke to a man who had worked for the Daily Mail for some years as a senior news reporter. He said: 'They phoned me early one morning and told me to drive about three hundred miles to cover a murder. It was a woman and her two children who'd been killed. I got a an hour and a half into the journey and the news desk called me on my mobile and said, "Come back." I said, "Why's that?" They said, "They're black." ' He makes the point that successful complaints to the Press Complaints Commission about the Mail run at three times the average rate of all other national papers, and (depressingly) that it has more political power than any other newspaper.
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Emo
May 31, 2008 18:05:12 GMT
Post by Paul Doherty on May 31, 2008 18:05:12 GMT
So the Guardian says (about the Mail): The paper described "emo" as a teenage trend that started in the US in the 1980s and was "characterised by depression, self-injury and suicide". Its followers, the tabloid said, wore tight jeans, studded belts and wristbands and had dyed-black hair and long fringes obscuring their faces. There's a few emo teenagers hanging around my house at the moment. I'd better go and hide the knives. Moral panic. We've been here before, I think.
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Emo
May 31, 2008 21:03:15 GMT
Post by Tone on May 31, 2008 21:03:15 GMT
I quite like the Daily Mail. I buy one every time (and only) when I have to go and wait for hours at a hospital. I find that it gives me the most reading for the money! (I don't have to agree with it just 'cos I read it.)
Tone
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osric
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Emo
May 31, 2008 21:58:06 GMT
Post by osric on May 31, 2008 21:58:06 GMT
Didn't the Mail support Hitler in the '30s?
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Emo
Jun 1, 2008 19:56:43 GMT
Post by Tone on Jun 1, 2008 19:56:43 GMT
osric, >Didn't the Mail support Hitler in the '30s?<How totally irrelevant. Tone
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Emo
Jun 2, 2008 0:58:53 GMT
Post by Verbivore on Jun 2, 2008 0:58:53 GMT
Didn't the Mail support Hitler in the '30s? As did, I believe, a member or two of the British Royal Family.
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osric
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Emo
Jun 2, 2008 5:30:10 GMT
Post by osric on Jun 2, 2008 5:30:10 GMT
"How totally irrelevant." Back in the knife drawer, Mr.Snidey; I only wanted confirmation on a point.
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Emo
Jun 2, 2008 20:35:53 GMT
Post by Tone on Jun 2, 2008 20:35:53 GMT
osric,
Mayhap I presented that poorly. (But what' it got to do with a "knife drawer"?) My meaning was that the attitudes of people, the newspaper, and probably the house-painter in question, were likely to have been totally different (from now) back then, so it was irrelevant to relate that support to the newspaper that is produced today. After all, even the Times has changed somewhat, innit?
Tone
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Emo
Jun 3, 2008 0:14:17 GMT
Post by suvvern on Jun 3, 2008 0:14:17 GMT
The paper described "emo" as a teenage trend that started in the US in the 1980s and was "characterised by depression, self-injury and suicide". Its followers, the tabloid said, wore tight jeans, studded belts and wristbands and had dyed-black hair and long fringes obscuring their faces.
I knew lots of teenagers in the 1980s and 1990s who dressed like that, most of whom are now in regular employment and themselves parents of today's teenagers.
I and my friends wore dirty leather jackets, cut down denims (jackets with the sleeves removed), oily jeans, studded gloves and fearsome leather boots (good protection when knocked off a motorbike by car driving idiots) - so if my sons and their friends want to dress in "emo" style, I am in no position to complain.
Weren't these journalists ever young, or did they emerge into the world as fully-fledged grumpy old men ?
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Emo
Jun 3, 2008 1:17:26 GMT
Post by Paul Doherty on Jun 3, 2008 1:17:26 GMT
It's more cynical than that. They are catering to people's mistrust of "different".
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osric
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Emo
Jun 3, 2008 11:48:57 GMT
Post by osric on Jun 3, 2008 11:48:57 GMT
Tone,
Sorry, got a bit trigger happy. The "back in the knife drawer, Mr Snidey" reference comes from an Alex Cox film; Sid and Nancy.
osric
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Emo
Jun 3, 2008 12:39:27 GMT
Post by Dave M on Jun 3, 2008 12:39:27 GMT
osric,
There's a phrase which used often to be used to children, when they said something quick-witted or sarcastic: "Gosh, who's been in the knife drawer?". The reference is to their being "sharp".
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Emo
Jun 3, 2008 15:30:19 GMT
Post by Alan Palmer on Jun 3, 2008 15:30:19 GMT
As in "You're so sharp you'll cut yourself!"
I have always felt that is a ridiculous phrase; knives and so on are sharp but they don't cut themselves, only other things.
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