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won't
Jun 15, 2008 23:32:49 GMT
Post by Geoff on Jun 15, 2008 23:32:49 GMT
Thank you for the link, goofy. I didn't read it all, it was just too long. I've always wondered about it's use with the first, second and third person, and the MW explained that. It also mentioned it's use in song lyrics. After reading all that, and then the conclusion, I'm left wondering if ain't is as vulgar as I've always believed. What do others think?
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won't
Jun 15, 2008 23:47:29 GMT
Post by Paul Doherty on Jun 15, 2008 23:47:29 GMT
I've always wondered about it's use ... mentioned it's use in song lyrics. Fetch the sackcloth! As for ain't, it used to be very British upper-class. The sort of thing first-world-war generals said. Damned hot today, ain't it, don't y'know?One of the curious things about English is the upper classes and the lower classes used to share various language traits and didn't care who didn't like it. It was only the anxious middle classes (like schoolmasters) who cared about "correct" English. Jeeves spoke much "better" English than Bertie.
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won't
Jun 16, 2008 1:00:49 GMT
Post by suvvern on Jun 16, 2008 1:00:49 GMT
Interesting set of replies, with the usual expected tangents of information. I hadn't known about wol not before this. As for ain't, it used to be very British upper-class. The sort of thing first-world-war generals said. Damned hot today, ain't it, don't y'know?Regarding ain't - when at junior school (last millennium) I remember that the children from the middle class areas of town thought it a dreadful word to use, but those from the council estate used it frequently. What a lot of little snobs Years later, having matured (well, maybe a bit ;D) and mixed with people from a wider range of social backgrounds, I thoroughly enjoyed the TV programme "It Ain't Half Hot Mum" and didn't even think about the word ain't in the title until it was mentioned by a snobbish relative of mine (beware of social climbers). Jeeves spoke much "better" English than Bertie.And is there an "Ask Bertie" on the internet ?
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won't
Jun 16, 2008 1:13:03 GMT
Post by Verbivore on Jun 16, 2008 1:13:03 GMT
Isn't it "We don't need no education"?
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won't
Jun 16, 2008 3:15:23 GMT
Post by SusanB on Jun 16, 2008 3:15:23 GMT
Yes, I think it was.
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won't
Jun 16, 2008 7:45:09 GMT
Post by Geoff on Jun 16, 2008 7:45:09 GMT
Bows head and walks away in shame. I'll do my penance.
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won't
Jun 16, 2008 11:19:44 GMT
Post by Sue M-V on Jun 16, 2008 11:19:44 GMT
Isn't it "We don't need no education"? I hope so: then I won't have been quoting a pop song after all! Sue
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won't
Jun 16, 2008 13:10:12 GMT
Post by Gabriel-Ernest on Jun 16, 2008 13:10:12 GMT
I thought it was: “We don’t need no education, We don’t want no thought control.”
The alliteration in the first sentence adding an impetus to the line; and possibly the reason for the prevalence of double negatives in other song lyrics. Whichever it is, it was all down-hill after Syd Barrett was kicked out.
G-E.
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won't
Jun 16, 2008 14:11:18 GMT
Post by Alan Palmer on Jun 16, 2008 14:11:18 GMT
I can't agree. To my mind, the apogee of Pink Floyd was with the production of The Dark Side of the Moon. Wish You were Here from a couple of years later probably contains the best song IMNSHO: Shine On You Crazy Diamond - see my signature.
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won't
Jun 16, 2008 15:25:11 GMT
Post by Pete on Jun 16, 2008 15:25:11 GMT
I can't agree. To my mind, the apogee of Pink Floyd was with the production of The Dark Side of the Moon. Wish You were Here from a couple of years later probably contains the best song IMNSHO: Shine On You Crazy Diamond - see my signature. Not to mention the best live show in history when they performed The Wall. Those were the days, my friends! ;D
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won't
Jun 16, 2008 17:24:41 GMT
Post by Twoddle on Jun 16, 2008 17:24:41 GMT
I can't agree. To my mind, the apogee of Pink Floyd was with the production of The Dark Side of the Moon. Wish You were Here from a couple of years later probably contains the best song IMNSHO: Shine On You Crazy Diamond - see my signature. Not to mention the best live show in history when they performed The Wall. Those were the days, my friends! ;D Was Mary Hopkins there too?
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won't
Jun 16, 2008 18:30:33 GMT
Post by Pete on Jun 16, 2008 18:30:33 GMT
While song lyrics are mentioned, I rather like the double entendre of: "This bed of Rose's that I lay on" (But I rather like the song.) Tone Tone, welcome to the senior members club.
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won't
Jun 16, 2008 21:01:49 GMT
Post by Tone on Jun 16, 2008 21:01:49 GMT
>Tone, welcome to the senior members club.<
Thank you, kind Sir.
Tone
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won't
Jun 16, 2008 21:08:53 GMT
Post by Twoddle on Jun 16, 2008 21:08:53 GMT
>Tone, welcome to the senior members club.<Thank you, kind Sir. Tone Your Karma's crap, though.
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won't
Jun 17, 2008 8:37:39 GMT
Post by Tone on Jun 17, 2008 8:37:39 GMT
>Your Karma's crap, though.<
Ah, but as I've suggested before, the whole "karma" thing is crap!
We have no idea who is using it for what. Is it a genuine comment, is it just playing about, is it "a social experiment", is it vindictiveness, is it being used as a comment on the posts or the poster, is it ... ?
It just might be a reasonable addition to the forum IF it wasn't anonymous. But it is, so there you go!
And am I the only one to express an opinion about it? Mayhap the views of others would be interesting, or even worthwhile.
Tone
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